Due to some technical issues, we were not able to post this week’s Ankeny Fanatic weekly podcast sponsored by Coldwell Banker Mid-America that previewed Thursday night’s Jag-Hawk wrestling dual. However, here are the highlights from publisher Dan Holm’s interviews with Coldwell Banker realtor Tiffany Rumelhart, Ankeny assistant coach Austin Anderson, Ankeny junior Ben Hansen, Ankeny Centennial head coach Jay Groth, Centennial senior Logan Song and Centennial junior Lucas Bruhl.
Holm: Well Tiffany, are you ready for the holidays? I can’t believe that Christmas is 10 days away.
Rumelhart: I am. Yes, I just have a few last-minute things to do. I always put the gift wrapping off until the end so I have that to look forward to.
Holm: I’m sure a lot of people are making plans for 2023 in a lot of different areas in their lives, but as you look ahead to the next year, what changes or trends do you think we might see in the housing market?
Rumelhart: Well, it’s interesting. I think with the way interest rates are right now, a lot of the experts are saying that we’re going to see a little bit of a dip in the interest rates. I hope that’s true. The market is really starting to normalize. It’s not crazy like it was this time last year. It’s nice to get back to a “normal” market.
Holm: I know there are some concerns that there could be more tough times ahead for the housing market. Mortgage rates have skyrocketed this year due to the Federal Reserve’s aggressive interest rate hikes. That has made it difficult — if not impossible — for many younger Americans to buy a first home. Have you seen a drop in first-time home buyers in the last year?
Rumelhart: Not necessarily. There are some great programs out there, and we work with some great preferred lenders that keep us up to speed on programs that fit everybody’s needs, and that includes the first-time home buyers.Holm: I was watching an interview on TV earlier this month, and
Holm: Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan told CNN’s Poppy Harlow that there could be two years of pain in the housing market before activity returns to normal. But it sounds like you don’t have those same concerns?
Rumelhart: You know, I don’t. I’m just kind of telling everybody to take a deep breath, relax and I don’t think there’s any reason to freak out right now. There are still a lot of buyers out there and there are homes for sale, and if you need a house, in our office one of the things we say is: “Marry the house and date the rate”.
Holm: Any developments that you would like to plug?
Rumelhart: Centennial Estates is our big one. That one is really exciting for us right now for MJ Properties. It’s over on the northeast side of town. It’s close to everything, and we still have several lots. There’s something for everyone, and we’d love to sit down with anyone who wants to talk about building their new home.
Holm: Well Austin, congratulations on an outstanding season thus far. I know it’s early, but you’ve got to be really pleased with the results you’ve seen?
Anderson: Yeah, I think we’ve wrestled well up to this point. We haven’t had our full varsity lineup in there yet, but we’ve had some other guys step up and I’ve been really pleased.
Holm: You guys are 3-0 in duals, and you’re coming off a solid third-place finish in the Frank Baltzley Invitational on Saturday at Johnston, where you had the most finalists of any team (5) and crowned a pair of individual champs in 7th-ranked Xander Kenworthy at 182 pounds and 9th-ranked Will Hinrichs at 220. And considering that you guys were battling the top four teams in Class 3A at that tournament, your team obviously really stepped up and showed that it can compete with all of those squads, didn’t it?
Anderson: Yeah, we wrestled really well as a team. We had a lot of bonus points, and that’s what ultimately helped us to place in the top three. I think we’re starting to show that we belong in the conversation with those top teams.
Holm: Xander posted a 5-2 decision over No. 10 Ben Brushaber of Dallas Center-Grimes in the finals to improve his record to 4-1. I know Xander is coming off an ACL injury and isn’t even 100 percent, so that was a pretty impressive performance out of him, wasn’t it?
Anderson: Yeah, the doctor said he probably shouldn’t even be on the mat until January, so he’s wrestled really well for us. He’s trying to figure out how to compete with that knee. For him to win that tournament against that type of competition shows where he is at.
Holm: Will got a takedown in the final seconds to beat No. 11 Drew Campbell of Cedar Falls, 3-1, and is now 9-2 on the season. That win should do a lot for his confidence, don’t you think?
Anderson: Absolutely. Will is trying to figure out how to wrestle at 220 pounds. A lot of these kids may be bigger than him in weight, but with his athleticism and speed he’s really going to be a problem at that weight class.
Holm: Your other finalists were No. 4 Ben Hansen at 138, No. 5 Jace Anderson at 152 and No. 5 Cade Bennethum at 195. Unfortunately, they all lost to top-ranked opponents in the finals. They just ran into three hammers, didn’t they?
Anderson: Yeah, the nice thing about those matches is to see where we are at right now. Being the top-ranked guys, those are the three guys we’re chasing. Ultimately, our goal is to close the gap on those guys by February.
Holm: Ben and Cade lost to two of the studs from Waverly-Shell Rock, Ryder Block and McCrae Hagarty, who both recorded falls. I know coach Wignall told me over the weekend though that he thinks the opportunity for your two guys to get their hands on Block and Hagarty will be invaluable if they should meet them again. And I’m sure you’d agree, wouldn’t you?
Holm: Anderson lost a heartbreaker in the finals to Jacob Helgeson of Johnston, 2-1, in double overtime. I know Jace almost got a reversal as the match ended that would have won it, but nevertheless, considering that this was only his third match of the season, he has to feel really good about where he is at?
Anderson: Absolutely, he was right there in that match. It’s early on in the season, and that just shows right where he is at in that weight bracket.
Holm: Between Jace being out for awhile and you guys having to deal with some other injuries and illnesses here early in the season, your team hasn’t been able to get its best lineup on the mat yet. JJ Maihan, who is ranked 8th at 120, has been out since he suffered a tooth injury during the season opener at Johnston on Dec. 1. Where he is at right now? Do you think he’ll be available this week?
Anderson: Yeah, JJ’s hungry and he’s ready to be back. He probably could have wrestled last weekend, but without a full week of practice it was just impossible for him to get his weight down. He’s hungry and ready to go.
Holm: The other ranked wrestler that you guys have who we haven’t mentioned yet is Truman Folkers, who is ranked 6th at 113. He placed 3rd at the Baltzley Invitational on Saturday. You guys also got a 4th-place finish from Joe Kingston at 285. Your team will now host a CIML Conference triangular on Thursday. Ankeny Centennial will face Urbandale at 5 p.m., then you guys will meet the J-Hawks at 6:30 before taking on the Jaguars in the featured match at 8. Now this will be a different format than what you’ve been used to in the past for the Jag-Hawk dual. Do you like having a third team in the mix, or do you think it really matters?
Anderson: We’ll see how it goes. I think it has its pros and cons. But personally, I like wrestling just one dual a night.
Holm: Urbandale has only one ranked wrestler in No. 4 Gabe Carver at 160, so that’s a team that I’m guessing both Ankeny and Centennial will be able to beat. So I want to focus mostly on the Jag-Hawk dual. You guys have won the last two meetings against Centennial, 36-26 and 43-24, and you have seven ranked wrestlers to just three for the Jaguars. So how do you see this matchup? Do you feel like you guys are the favorite on paper?
Anderson: Yeah, I think we’re confident in the squad that we’re going to put out there to take care of business.
Holm: I know there’s always a chance that either team could move some wrestlers up or down a weight to try to get a more favorable matchup, but if both teams were to put their usual lineups out there, which matches do you think are the pivotal ones?
Anderson: I’m interested to see if that match happens at 152 between Jace and Lucas Bruhl. That was a really close match last year, and both guys are two of the better wrestlers in the state at that weight class. I know Lucas just wrestled at 145 last week, but I think that’s one that everyone would look forward to seeing. I think every single match will be big, because a lot of these guys have been wrestling against each other for years.
Holm: There could be two or three matchups between ranked wrestlers barring any changes. At 113, Folkers could meet No. 12 Cody Vandermark. That would be a rematch from last year’s match at 106, which was won by Folkers, 4-1. So I imagine you guys feel pretty good about that matchup?
Anderson: Yeah, Truman is wrestling really well right now. I really like where he is at right now, and I like our chances in that one.
Holm: At 138, there could be another rematch between Hansen and No. 11 Cael Wiener. Now I’ll be talking more to Ben about this matchup in a bit, but last year he dropped a 3-1 decision to Wiener in overtime at 132. This could obviously be a swing match, couldn’t it?
Anderson: We bumped Ben up in that dual last year, and right now he’s kind of firing on all cylinders as well. I like our chances in that match.
Holm: Well Austin, your team has had so much success the last few seasons. You guys placed sixth in the state duals last year, and you finished fifth in the traditional tournament the year before. Do you think this team has the potential to place that high in either of the tournaments this season?
Anderson: Yeah, I do. When we’re able to get our full group of guys in there, I think the sky’s the limit for this team. We just placed ahead of Waverly-Shell Rock, the No. 1 team in the state. If our guys keep working hard and avoid the injury bug, I think we can not only place high at those tournaments but we can win them.
Holm: Do you like the new format that they have this year, with the state duals being held on Feb. 4 the week before the district tournament?
Anderson: Yeah, I do. I think it’s going to be good for the individual qualifiers at the state tournament as well as the teams. It will make it even more competitive. Now, there really isn’t an excuse for teams to sit their guys.
Holm: Well Ben, congratulations on a great season thus far. Have you been happy with the way you’ve wrestled?
Hansen: Yeah, I think I’ve wrestled pretty well. I’ve got two losses, which is a little disappointing but they were to two pretty good kids. They were good learning opportunities for me.
Holm: We talked with Austin about your match against Ryder Block on Saturday at the Johnston tournament. Now had you ever wrestled him before, and what was your approach going into the match?
Hansen: No, he’s always been bigger than me, so this is the first time we’ve been at the same weight. It was good to have that match. I was disappointed. It sucks to lose, but I’m probably going to wrestle him three or four more times this year, so it was important to wrestle him early. I can look back at it and see what I can learn from it.
Holm: Do you feel like you learned some things from the match?
Hansen: Yeah, I looked back to see what he was doing to set me up, to get me off my offense and expose my defense. I’ve definitely learned some things.Holm:
Holm: Well Ben, we previewed the Jag-Hawk dual with Austin, and I wanted to get your thoughts on the matchup as well. How do you think your team matches up with the Jaguars?
Hansen: I think we match up well. Obviously, it’s always a good dual. It doesn’t really matter how we match up. It’s going to be a good dual no matter what.
Holm: I mentioned earlier that you could face Cael Wiener in a matchup of rated wrestlers. Cael is having a great year with a 14-1 record, and I know he told me for the prep of the week feature this week that the two of you grew up wrestling against each other and made each other better every day. I’m sure you’d love the opportunity to face him again and try to avenge last year’s loss, wouldn’t you?
Hansen: Yeah, any loss I take I want to get that rematch. We were practice partners throughout the years in the Ankeny Wrestling Club, and now that we’re in high school it’s fun and I’m excited to wrestle him again.
Holm: I know Cael told me that he wasn’t happy with his offense in that match, but he ended up winning 3-1 so obviously his defense was a key to the win. You’re going to have to find a way to get your offense going in order to win, aren’t you?
Hansen: Yeah, last year he had some good defense. I was in on some shots, but I just couldn’t finish. That’s something I’m going to have to turn around this year to win that match.
Holm: Cael is a senior who has 74 career wins, and I asked him if he thought the 100-victory mark would be attainable for him, and he said that he thought it was although that is going to be a tall order. You entered this season with 51 career wins, and with another year left after this one, you’re on pace to reach the 100-win mark. What would that mean to you to reach that milestone?
Hansen: It would mean a lot. That would be really cool if I could get it.
Holm: Well Ben, you placed 8th at 106 pounds in Class 3A as a freshman before placing 8th at 126 last year. I’m sure your goal is to get back on the podium again, but only to finish higher this time, right?
Hansen: Yeah, it’s never fun to finish in the same spot two years in a row. You always want to climb that ladder and finish higher each year. I’m looking to place a lot higher.
Holm: Block would have to be the favorite to win state at 138–he’s already been a state champion and he’s committed to Iowa–but I’m sure you feel like there are some other guys who could contend, including yourself. Koy Davidson of Fort Dodge is ranked 2nd, and Ty Solverson of Boone is 3rd. Do you feel like Block is beatable, or is he one of those guys who probably has to make a mistake that somebody would have to take advantage of in order to beat him?
Hansen: I think any guy is beatable. It just depends on who shows up on that day. It doesn’t matter how you do during the season.
Holm: As far as the team goes, Ben, what do you feel like this team is capable of accomplishing this season?
Hansen: We can definitely do a lot. The last few years we’ve been on that climb. We’ve gotten better each year.
Holm: Well Ben, I’m sure most people that follow Ankeny wrestling know that your dad, Greg, was also a standout wrestler for the Hawks. Was he the one that got you involved with the sport at an early age, and does it help to have someone like him that you can go home and talk to after a practice or a meet?
Hansen: Yeah, it does. He was actually at practice today. He helps out. I think I was in first grade when he first asked me about trying it, and so I did. And here we are.
Holm: The last thing I wanted to ask you about is your future plans. I assume you’d like to wrestle in college. Have you looked at any schools yet?
Hansen: I really haven’t. We’ll just have to see how this year goes.
Holm: Well Jay, your team is obviously off to a great 11-0 start. You guys went a perfect 5-0 at the Centennial Duals on Saturday, capped off by a 31-29 win over Carlisle in the title match, to win the tournament for the sixth straight year. You have to feel pretty good about where your team is at?
Groth: Yeah, we’re coming along. We’re getting better every day. These guys are working hard, and they’re putting in the time. We stepped up, and Carlisle was ranked 10th I believe, but we took it to them.
Holm: One of the highlights of that tournament came in your opening match, when your team posted a 78-3 win over Des Moines Roosevelt. Of course, you coached the Roughriders for 19 seasons before coming to Centennial in 2013 to start the program here. And now your son Michael is the head coach at Roosevelt, so that was an opportunity for the two of you to coach against each other. I don’t know how much fun Michael had in that meet, but it still had to be a pretty cool moment for both of you guys?
Groth: It was definitely a lot of fun for both of us until it started, and then it was just fun for me. But I’m excited for him. He’s got a lot of work to do, but he’ll put in the time. I’m excited to see him have some success at Roosevelt. He wanted to go back to where he started, because he pretty much grew up there. He’s familiar with it for sure.
Holm: I know you told me over the weekend that the deciding meet against Carlisle was a little closer than you would have liked, and you ended up having to use Logan Song in the final match at 170 even though he’s been injured. I’ll be talking to Logan here in a bit, but he went out and did what he needed to do to seal the win–he avoided being pinned. And I know you felt like all of your seniors stepped up at that tournament, didn’t you?
Groth: I did. They all wrestled really well. It’s a good group of hard-working kids. They’ve had a lot of success over the years, and they’re good leaders.
Holm: Your team has had a little bit of a different schedule thus far this year. You opened the season with a double dual meet against Albia and W. Marshall, two teams that you don’t normally see. And last week you guys went to CB Lewis Central for a quadrangular, and you easily defeated all three of the opponents there. I know you guys saw some good teams at the DC-G tournament on Dec. 3, but do you feel like your team is ready to face some tougher competition which you’re obviously going to see this week?
Groth: I do. We know we have some tougher matches ahead of us, but all of our guys have had several matches against real quality opponents. As we start the season, I like our kids to get their feet wet and to get some good matches against tough competition. I don’t feel like we have to wrestle the No. 1 team in the country the first week of the season in order to get ready for February. We just need to keep getting better each week. I think we’re in a good place.
Holm: Your team will now travel across town for a CIML Conference triangular on Thursday at Ankeny. You guys will face Urbandale at 5 p.m., then Ankeny will meet the J-Hawks at 6:30 before taking on your team in the featured match at 8. Now this will be a different format than what you’ve been used to in the past for the Jag-Hawk dual. Do you like having a third team in the mix, or do you think it really matters?
Groth: I do not like it at all, and I’ve told that to our AD. This particular dual meet should not be a double dual meet. I would prefer it to just be us and Ankeny, and I know coach Wignall feels the same way. I think it takes away a little bit from the whole environment of the rivalry.
Holm: So how do you see this matchup? Do you feel like you’re going in as the underdog against the Hawks?
Groth: I’m sure that we’re seen as the underdog by most everybody, and I’m ok with that. We have some kids who should definitely be ranked, and they’re not for one reason or another. But the rankings don’t mean anything, especially in December. It’s how you perform in February. But Carlisle had seven ranked wrestlers too, and we beat them.
Holm: I know both teams could move some wrestlers up or down a weight which always seems to happen, but if both squads were to put their usual lineups out there, which matches do you think are the crucial ones?
Groth: I think 113 will be a great match. I think 138 will be a great match, and I think 152 will be another great match. And we’ve got Kenworthy and Zach English at 182. We’ve got a lot of marquee matchups. It’s going to be fun.
Holm: There could be a few matchups between ranked wrestlers barring any changes. At 113, you have 12th-ranked Cody Vandermark who could have a rematch against No. 6 Truman Folkers, who posted a 4-1 decision in last year’s dual. If that matchup occurs, do you fee like Cody would have a good chance to avenge that loss?
Groth: I do. Cody has put in a ton of work. I know Truman has too, but I think it will be a great match.
Holm: There could be another rematch at 138, where you have 11th-ranked Cael Wiener and he’s off to a 14-1 start this season. His opponent could be No. 4 Ben Hansen, who dropped a 3-1 decision in overtime to Wiener last year. So even though Hansen is ranked higher, Cael would probably feel pretty good about that matchup, don’t you think?
Groth: He does. And honestly, his only loss was to Logan Gard of DC-G, and Cael wrestled that whole tournament with the flu and it was a close match. Cael’s got a lot of confidence. He knows he can do it again.Holm:
Holm: Your other ranked wrestler is Lucas Bruhl, who is ranked 3rd at 152. He recently dropped down to 145, but it sounds like he’s going to be back at 152, is that right?
Groth: Yep. It’s another good matchup. They wrestled each other last year, and it was a great match. Jace edged him in that one, and we’re looking for similar results.
Holm: Well Jay, you’ve had some very talented teams at Centennial in the past. In 2019, you guys placed 3rd in the state duals and 4th in the traditional tournament, and you were named the Class 3A coach of the year. I don’t know if you feel like this team has that kind of potential or not, but I’m sure you aren’t going to put any limits on what your guys might be to accomplish, will you?
Groth: Definitely not. And we’re not all where we want to be yet. We’ll probably have some changes after winter break, and that will strengthen up our lineup. I feel like from 106 to 182 we’ve got a really solid team. We’re going to win a lot of dual meets because we don’t have very many holes. I’m real confident that we’re going to have a lot of success if we can stay healthy.
Holm: One thing that you have yet to accomplish at Centennial is to have an individual state champ. You’ve been close several times, but just haven’t been able to get over that hump. Now I’ll be talking to Lucas here as well in a bit, but do you think he’s a guy that is capable of ending that drought?
Groth: I think he’s the guy. But I’ve said this to you before. We coach every one of our guys to become a state champion. That’s the ultimate goal. It could be Lucas, but I hope it’s Cale Vandermark. He’ll be the first one on the mat in the finals at 106, and he’ll win the first one. And then I’ll have to get his face tattooed on my back, which I’ve promised the kids and the school that I would do, much to my wife’s chagrin. I think we’ve got a lot of potential, and I hope Cale is the first one.
Holm: I hope I’m around to see that.
Groth: I never said it had to be a big tattoo.
Holm: Well Logan, we talked with coach about your match on Saturday against Carlisle, when you went out there even though you were injured and did what you needed to do for the team. Were you pretty confident that you could avoid being pinned?
Song: Yes, I was.
Holm: How is your health now? Do you feel like you’ll be ready to go tomorrow?
Song: Yes sir. I feel great. I’m getting better every day.
Holm: You’re obviously off to a good 11-2 start this season. Have you been happy with the way you’ve wrestled?
Song: I am happy. I’m working hard every day in the room, and I just want to keep getting better.
Holm: Where do you feel like you’ve made the most progress this season?
Song: I would say on my feet. I’ve tried to open up my offense a little more.
Holm: As a senior, have you tried to be one of the leaders for the team?
Song: Yes, I have. I’d say me, Cael Wiener and Zach English have tried to be the leaders of the team. I just try to be an active role model in the room showing the younger guys what they need to be doing.
Holm: Let’s look ahead to the matchup against Ankeny. I mentioned earlier that the Hawks have won the last 2 meetings. How badly do you guys want to win this dual, especially since it’s the last go-around for you?
Song: We always want to win. We want to be the best team in Ankeny, and we want to show that.
Holm: You recorded a technical fall over Teagan Peiffer in last year’s dual at 160 pounds, and he’s one of the guys that you could face tomorrow. Do you feel like it will be important for you to get some bonus points tomorrow, no matter who you wrestle?
Song: Yeah, I think that’s a key. Bonus points are important, and I’m going to do whatever I can to get them.
Holm: Looking at the whole meet, how do you think your team matches up with the Hawks? Do you feel like you guys might need to pull off an upset or two to come out on top?
Song: Maybe, but we have a solid lineup. If we do what we can do, I think we’ll win.
Holm: What are your goals for the rest of the season? I’m sure you’d love to close out your career as a state qualifier. Do you feel like you have a good chance to get there?
Song: Yes sir, I do. I feel like I have a good chance to get on the podium at the state tournament.
Holm: How about the team’s goals? What do you think you guys are capable of doing?
Song: I think we can do a lot individually and as a team. We’ve got big goals, and we’re going to accomplish them.
Holm: Well Logan, before I let you go, I just wanted to ask you about your future plans. Are you thinking about wrestling in college? Have you looked at any schools?
Song: Yes, I have. I’ve been to Luther, Simpson and Central.
Holm: Well Lucas, congratulations on an outstanding season thus far. Have you been happy with the way you’ve wrestled?
Bruhl: Yeah, I feel like I’ve wrestled pretty solid.
Holm: I know you’ve dominated many of your opponents and recorded a bunch of falls. I don’t even know if you’ve had a close match. You won the championship at the DC-G tournament at 152 with a 15-5 major decision over Ryan Steinlage of I35, who is ranked 5th in Class 1A. Is he one of the better wrestlers you’ve faced?
Bruhl: He was pretty good. I had Jaxon Miller of Carlisle. That was a good match. It was 3-2, so that was my closest match. He was very solid for a freshman. I didn’t get to my offense as early in the match as I wanted, but like they say, a win is a win.
Holm: You then moved down to 145 pounds last week, and you’ve continued your winning ways since you made that move. So do you have a preference for either 145 or 152?
Bruhl: I’m going to 152 this week, and we’ll see after the break. It’s kind of up in the air right now where I want to be. I feel good at both weights.
Holm: Let’s look ahead to the Ankeny meet. How do you see the matchup? Do you like your team’s chances to come out of there with a win?
Bruhl: For sure. It’s going to come down to bonus points and those toss-up matches, and we’ve got to win those.
Holm: In last year’s meet, you posted an 11-6 decision over Jace Anderson at 145, and it sounds like we might see a rematch tomorrow. Would you be confident going into that match?
Bruhl: Yes, I would.
Holm: Well Lucas, you placed 6th at state a year ago at 138. You had a big overtime win against Jacob Helgeson of Johnston to reach the semifinals before you ran into Ryder Block of Waverly-Shell Rock, who is currently ranked No. 1 at 138. I wanted to ask you about both of those guys. Are you surprised that Block is wrestling at 138 again this year? I guess he hasn’t grown, huh?
Bruhl: I’m a little surprised. I thought he’d be at 145. He’s a pretty solid wrestler. I don’t think he’s going to have any problems at 138.
Holm: Helgeson is ranked No. 1 at 152, and you’ve obviously defeated him in the past. At 145, the No. 1 guy is Bas Diaz of Waverly-Shell Rock. I’m sure your goal is not only to get to state and to get back on the awards podium but to make a run at a state title. Do you feel like you’d have a better chance at either 145 or 152, or do you think it’s kind of a toss-up?
Bruhl: You know, we’ve kind of been talking about it. Like you mentioned, I got that win over Helgeson last year, and I wrestled him quite a bit growing up so I kind of know what he does. Bas, on the other hand, I’ve never wrestled him so I don’t know. I guess I’m not really sure what we’ll do yet. Whatever is best for the team.
Holm: Well Lucas, I know your dad Brad was a stud wrestler back in the day, and I’m sure he was the one who got you involved in the sport at an early age. How much credit do you give him for the success that you’ve had?
Bruhl: A lot of it, for sure. I’ve been wrestling with him forever. And my little brother Isaac, too. So I give them a lot of credit.
Holm: I know after the DC-G tournament coach Groth told me that he had a few different people come up to him that day and ask about you, because they were really impressed with how you wrestled. I’m sure you’ve attracted the attention of some college coaches as well. Have you thought about wrestling at the next level? Is that your goal?
Bruhl: You know, a little bit. I obviously play a couple of other sports, so kind of looking there too. Not 100 percent sure what I want to do yet, but definitely something with athletics.